what fish is this?

roby · Post by **roby** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:06

i found this fish on amazon ecotours and was wondering what fish this is

in the Url it sas its some type of peckoltia
thanks
roby

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:14

Hi!

This is an undescribed species of Panaque form the Panaque dentex group coming form Peru! L206 is its L code if I am correct.
I had a picture of a collected specimen by Jon Armbruster that was looking like this one.
I can't remember exactly what River it was coming from!
It should grow between 10-15cm long.
Cheers
Yann

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:15

A nicely coloured, young, L226 - Iquitos tiger pleco - I spent a fun night fishing for them on a large floating log in Peru. Didn't catch any but saw plenty about 1" in size and they looked just like the picture.

Jools

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:17

yannfulliquet wrote:L206 is its L code if I am correct.

Err, L206 doesn't have the trademark fine squiggles on the head and the tail is not sold boldly coloured.

Jools

roby · Post by **roby** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:18

thanks for such a quick reply

roby · Post by **roby** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:27

they look quite alike but i'm not sure it's an L226. The pictures in the catelog show fish with stripes on it's tale while the pic i posted shows dots on the tail.

magnum4 · Post by **magnum4** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:29

In the cat-elog its down as Panaqolus sp. (L226) and the common jool used isn't there.
Which brings me to another question in Panaqolus still valid or is its short life over?

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:42

Hi!

Panaqolus is considered by many Ichtyolog as non valid and is place into synonymy with Panaque.
I know that severa people disagree as well with this and consider Panaqolus valid because the species from the Panaqolus dentex group have several features that are absent in Panaque, for exemple the odontodes on the caudal pedoncle.
I have not yet order the CLOFFSCA and I don't know their position regarding this, but it is very likely that they put Panaqolus into synonymy with Panaque.
Cheers
Yann

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:43

roby wrote:they look quite alike but i'm not sure it's an L226. The pictures in the catelog show fish with stripes on it's tale while the pic i posted shows dots on the tail.

They do differ. I think given the above picture is a very young fish and that both fish come from the same part of the world that we are looking at populations of the the same species as L226/LDA26. If they were from different rivers they surely would have two different l-numbers! The small ones I saw in Peru did have the spots on the tail.

Also, Yann, I think you must have been looking at aqualog rather than DATZ as aqualog does show a tail-spotted fish as L206, but without the distinctive head markings.

Jools

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:45

magnum4 wrote:In the cat-elog its down as Panaqolus sp. (L226) and the common jool used isn't there.
Which brings me to another question in Panaqolus still valid or is its short life over?

It's sunk and it's on my list to change.

Jools

roby · Post by **roby** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:46

could it be an L271?
it looks like it in the catelog

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:50

yannfulliquet wrote:I have not yet order the CLOFFSCA and I don't know their position regarding this, but it is very likely that they put Panaqolus into synonymy with Panaque.

That is the case, however CLOFFSCA was prepared around the same time as the "DATZ 14" hit the shelves, so I wouldn't read to much into its inclusion / exclusion as meaning what you suggest.

Armbruster is in print stating that Panaqolus (WHY didn't they spell it PanaqUolus - it's so unnatural to say/write/type) should be considered in synonymy with Panaque and (as I've said above) I will get around to changing that. I'll probably alter all the Cochliodon while I'm at it...

Jools

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:53

Hi!

I really should search for that pic from Jon...
Roby: it can't be L271, it has really different distinct head marking

Jools: actually I have not use the aqualog as a way to id fish for ages now, it sincerely came to my mind that species and not the L226, which you are right look more closely to roby's fish.

Cheers
Yann

magnum4 · Post by **magnum4** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:53

Just thought of another one. I read on forum that Cochliodon has also sunk becoming hypostomus true or false. if anyone could give me a link (in english not german) about upto date info of this nature, that would give me something to do when i'm bored.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:58

roby wrote:could it be an L271?
it looks like it in the catelog

No, totally different fish.

Jools

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 19:59

magnum4 wrote:Just thought of another one. I read on forum that Cochliodon has also sunk becoming hypostomus true or false. if anyone could give me a link (in english not german) about upto date info of this nature, that would give me something to do when i'm bored.

http://www.forum.planetcatfish.com

Jools

magnum4 · Post by **magnum4** » 07 Oct 2003, 20:01

VERY FUNNY

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 07 Oct 2003, 20:23

magnum4 wrote:VERY FUNNY

Actually search the forum for "official cochliodon" and you should find a link to the PDF.

Jools

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 12 Nov 2003, 22:58

The fish is L341 as of the September DATZ I think.

Jools