No, no, you misunderstood. Those two were the pilots from "Allo Allo"L number Banana wrote:My last and final beef about that game. Why do the fans have to bring up "The Great War" every time??? There was even fans dressed in the RAF uniforms. Was a colossal insult, wish a veteran had punched those two guys in the nose.
Marc's right, those two guys were hilarious and were meant to be those two idiots from the TV comedy series - I don't think its disrespect at all - if we can laugh and/or tolerate anything like that, after all that has been, then we are better for it. If you knew the background you'd also know it was self deprecating in a very English way. I guess it might be hard for the English to find something to get behind outside of their colonial past. It'd be nice if (their lady folk) could dress up like the Brazilians, have the focus on one single colour like the Dutch or we have the vibrancy of the Ghanains for example, but the English don't. Neither do the Scots for that matter, be we at least have tartan and ginger hair and we're not afraid to use it (when we get to a finals competition).Marc van Arc wrote:No, no, you misunderstood. Those two were the pilots from "Allo Allo"L number Banana wrote:My last and final beef about that game. Why do the fans have to bring up "The Great War" every time??? There was even fans dressed in the RAF uniforms. Was a colossal insult, wish a veteran had punched those two guys in the nose.
Dutch team: results okay, but the way they play is utterly boring......
I was thinking about Knights Templar when I spotted those guys and had a big laugh, since the next image in my head was the silly sing-song dance of the "Knights of the Round Table" from Monty Python and the Holy Grailwho's getting upset about all those guys dressed up as crusaders
Ooooo, well now I fell silly and relieved at the same time. Had a good giggle looking up 'Allo Allo". I should have known better with that lovely world famous demented sense of humour. Wish I had cable.No, no, you misunderstood. Those two were the pilots from "Allo Allo"
Hmm.
talk about nasty; any game when there's Netherland Vs Germany all kinds of Dutch vermin crawl out of the woodwork all over the country; the atmosphere turns downright vicious, right up to the point where cars with German license plates get torched (!!)Maybe I'm just being a wee bit too sensitive me thinks. My past experience with England vs Germany took place at a pub I worked at and the old white ex-pats left no doubt about their references. It got quite nasty at times, even with their kids/grandkids in the pub.
), so the stupid war still looms large in our movie culture, books and -alas- football games. You're right to be sensitive. We've a real problem in Scotland with football being inextricably linked with religion. I won't take my son to a game for this reason although I'd love to in time. We are not a long time away from international football hooliganism, that's something that a lot of countries just don't get. Imagine going to support a team with a knife in your pocket, hoping to use it. I can remember seeing supporters throwing bananas at a black player (I'm 38). It all beggars belief. Even now the level of verbal abuse is staggering (mixed with the highest wit and humour). It is getting better, but the level of religious hatred is still ugly. We seem to be getting away from hooliganism at least internationality but their are deep divides still in Scottish football. I've been to NFL & baseball ball games (yankees Vs red sox just after the later won the "world" series) in the States where there is "fierce rivalry" and it's just plain mild by comparison. It's really hard to get that annoyed when you're eating popcorn. That's not some kind of put down, just as a way of explaining how alien this is to most sports fans. Remember the pics of the violence at Ireland Vs England years ago? I remember footage of a kid that just didn't understand. Not fear, not hatred, just didn't understand.L number Banana wrote:Maybe I'm just being a wee bit too sensitive me thinks. My past experience with England vs Germany took place at a pub I worked at and the old white ex-pats left no doubt about their references. It got quite nasty at times, even with their kids/grandkids in the pub.
Er, I'm no historian, but certainly British colonialism was not limited to south of the border!Jools wrote:I guess it might be hard for the English to find something to get behind outside of their colonial past.
Yeah yeah, totally agree, and Glasgow was known as the second city of the Empire, sure. Shared past, and shared atrocities and glory, not diminishing that at all. Arguably also, we're (Scotland) the first colony! But I think we're over all that, my point is I'm not sure about you lot. My feeling is that England still see themselves as top 5, in with a shout at every tournament, and certainly they have a decent chance and some good players. But, I do think there is an over-optimism which some think may have its roots in the past.racoll wrote:Er, I'm no historian, but certainly British colonialism was not limited to south of the border!
Maybe for some, sure.But, I do think there is an over-optimism which some think may have its roots in the past.
It is probably fair to say that we don't "play" very oftenL number Banana wrote: ..I never seen Scotland play.
That was beautiful. Those guys had to pick up their shorts after he flew by.Still brings a tear to my eye after all these years
Do I buy a bunch of batteries and bring the tiny TV or do I save myself the anguish and just look for the Argentinian flags driving by? Good luck with that. I'm expecting a robust game before the traditionally edgy semis. I'd put a cheeky 50p bet on it does not end with 22 players on the park. Actually, this and the Brazil Vs Netherlands game are very, very exciting prospects.L number Banana wrote:Very different playing styles. I'm just praying for no controversy of any kind.
Go Netherlands go!! We can do itJools wrote:Good luck with that. I'm expecting a robust game before the traditionally edgy semis. I'd put a cheeky 50p bet on it does not end with 22 players on the park. Actually, this and the Brazil Vs Netherlands game are very, very exciting prospects.L number Banana wrote:Very different playing styles. I'm just praying for no controversy of any kind.
Jools
Luring the referee into giving a cord to the opposition is an act only the Germans have a special word for: SchwalbeL number Banana wrote: Are the young Germans going to get sucked in and go out on a red card party? Or will they get frustrated and deserve some cards? I'm all nerves. Very different playing styles. I'm just praying for no controversy of any kind.
We just call it diving (although a nice touch to name it after the dive of the swallow bird), Klinnsman was one of the best. Although recently I've seen ridiculous attempts at it from other teams. Good to see the swallows booked.Bas Pels wrote:Luring the referee into giving a cord to the opposition is an act only the Germans have a special word for: Schwalbe
Well, that's telling!Bas Pels wrote:Luring the referee into giving a cord to the opposition is an act only the Germans have a special word for: Schwalbe
We just call it diving (although a nice touch to name it after the dive of the swallow bird), Klinnsman was one of the best. Although recently I've seen ridiculous attempts at it from other teams. Good to see the swallows booked.
Jools
I was thinking about the Argentina players diving, not the Germans. Klinsy was a master at that though..hmm.And they're even kind of 1970's dorky looking uniforms, like they've been stuck in an olympic locker room since Munich.Jools: And while we're talking about odd costumes, what's with the German coach and assistants always wearing the same clothes. I heard them refered to in commentary as "the oldest boy band in town". Matching suits fine, matching tracksuits OK. Doesn't anyone think it just a bit odd that they don't wear those things but are always wearing matching different outfits for different games.
Problem with that is injuries. They play for too long. Ghana are out of the world cup NOT because of the penalty shoot out but because they missed a penalty in extra time. Only way around that is to change the rule so that you can award a penalty goal and just use a yellow card for the cretin. Have to say, I'd do exactly the same thing (without thinking about it) in such a situation.sidguppy wrote:I don't like penaltys. give me the sudden death method anytime.
Like Suarez did?Have to say, I'd do exactly the same thing (without thinking about it) in such a situation.
