Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
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Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Hi
I found this little catfish (~1cm) swimming in my 120-liter Hoplosternum littorale fry raising tank. I have a pair of Raphael catfishes (Platydoras armatulus) in my main tank (420liters). I believe this small one is a baby Raphael catfish? Another possibility is Banjo catfish (Bunocephalus) fry? What do you think? I have moved floating vegetation from the other tanks to the Hoplosternum fry tank. This baby catfish must have been transported with the plants when it was an egg.
I found this little catfish (~1cm) swimming in my 120-liter Hoplosternum littorale fry raising tank. I have a pair of Raphael catfishes (Platydoras armatulus) in my main tank (420liters). I believe this small one is a baby Raphael catfish? Another possibility is Banjo catfish (Bunocephalus) fry? What do you think? I have moved floating vegetation from the other tanks to the Hoplosternum fry tank. This baby catfish must have been transported with the plants when it was an egg.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
I hope you will be able to confirm any guess you'll get in a few months.
Please do take a pic every now and then, in order to make it possible to learn from the development.
Does anyone know how any 1 cm Doridae (or Aspredinidiae) looks like?
Please do take a pic every now and then, in order to make it possible to learn from the development.
Does anyone know how any 1 cm Doridae (or Aspredinidiae) looks like?
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
It looks more like Bunocephalus fry to me.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
That was what I thought too - but I have seen neither genera's fry.Silurus wrote:It looks more like Bunocephalus fry to me.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
I agree, but aren't those barbles long...Silurus wrote:It looks more like Bunocephalus fry to me.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
check the little fish from the side
if the dorsal is developing a spine, it's a doradid, if it's not it's a lil banjo.
if the dorsal is developing a spine, it's a doradid, if it's not it's a lil banjo.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
I hope with all my heart that is a doradid.
But I think it is a banjo.
Please keep us posted.
Matt
But I think it is a banjo.
Please keep us posted.
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It looks like a miniature Raphael catfish to me. And it has already great appetite!
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
I hope it is a Dorid
Phoxinus, could you PLease, Please tell exactly EVERYTHING there is to know about their tank?
Phoxinus, could you PLease, Please tell exactly EVERYTHING there is to know about their tank?
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
I agree, looks more like a Dorid in these pictures. The problem with many fry is that at teh earlies stages, they look pretty much teh same. Days later, they can easily have changed quite dramatically!
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Yes, that is very important - breeding either species is an achievement and even the simple things like posting a list of fish, tank size, feeding regime or just a picture of the 420l tank would be useful. Please also keep the pictures coming. Once we know what it is, I'd very much like to put them in the catelog for posterity.Bas Pels wrote:I hope it is a Dorid
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I'm so excited!!!!!!!!!
Look much more like a doradid to me now.
Details, we must have details, all of them.
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I'm so excited!!!!!!!!!
Look much more like a doradid to me now.
Details, we must have details, all of them.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
You probably may watch this tank after using a link in Phoximus signature.
Well I will say it again since it is really important. Please provide us as many informations as you can .
If it is a doradidae then you really have achieved something a lot of people has tried for years.
If it is a banjo it is still great since they are not easy to breed as well.
Anyway - congratulations .
It would be great to know water parameters like Ph, hardness, temperature. Any changes in parameters after water change?
How often do you change water? Etc etc... almost everything is important .
Regards.
Well I will say it again since it is really important. Please provide us as many informations as you can .
If it is a doradidae then you really have achieved something a lot of people has tried for years.
If it is a banjo it is still great since they are not easy to breed as well.
Anyway - congratulations .
It would be great to know water parameters like Ph, hardness, temperature. Any changes in parameters after water change?
How often do you change water? Etc etc... almost everything is important .
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Like me, I'm sure I came close until I fried my many year long breeding project of Agamyxisworton[pl] wrote:If it is a doradidae then you really have achieved something a lot of people has tried for years.
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Ah, missed that until you pointed it out, so will post it now, I was looking to see if I could see the floating plants.worton[pl] wrote:You probably may watch this tank after using a link in Phoximus signature.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's a doradid now, from the cranial morphology and the fact that it has an adipose fin.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Thats good enough for me.
Congratulations!
Hoorah, it can be done! I havn't been wasting my time all these years...........and now back to the laboratory.
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Congratulations!
Hoorah, it can be done! I havn't been wasting my time all these years...........and now back to the laboratory.
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Hi!!!
Congrats!!! really well done!!!
Yes we all want to know the details...there are so many interesting Doradidae to be bred...at least it could give a direction to work with!!!
Have you done something different lately in that tank that could have induce a spawn
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Congrats!!! really well done!!!
Yes we all want to know the details...there are so many interesting Doradidae to be bred...at least it could give a direction to work with!!!
Have you done something different lately in that tank that could have induce a spawn
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
awesome
yes, now you can see that it has a spine in the dorsal, visible bones on the head and as Silurus points out; adipose fin wich is pretty obvious in doradids and absent in banjo's
also the eyesize is a clue
I guess the data in the catelog can be changed: has spawned at least once in captivity ;)
great catelog pix btw, I don't think any doradid has fry pix.
yes, now you can see that it has a spine in the dorsal, visible bones on the head and as Silurus points out; adipose fin wich is pretty obvious in doradids and absent in banjo's
also the eyesize is a clue
I guess the data in the catelog can be changed: has spawned at least once in captivity ;)
great catelog pix btw, I don't think any doradid has fry pix.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
As with all above - excellent achievement!
Have you checked the Platydoras tank for more fry? It's great to see the pics of the fry and it will be interesting to se how it develops (and how quickly they grow).
Well done
Have you checked the Platydoras tank for more fry? It's great to see the pics of the fry and it will be interesting to se how it develops (and how quickly they grow).
Well done
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
I can only echo all of the above...
... what are all the details of the set-up & regime?
...extremely well done there Sir!
... what are all the details of the set-up & regime?
...extremely well done there Sir!
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Brilliant! Well done! As the others have said, please keep taking photo's (from the side if possible)!
Definitely a dora, you can see the lateral scutes.
Definitely a dora, you can see the lateral scutes.
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Of course. The dimensions of the 420-liter aquarium are 130cm x 61cm (height) x 53cm (width). There are two filters: Eheim 2228 canister filter (1050l/h) and a mat filter with Eheim Aquaball pump (600l/h) in the tank. The water is well oxygenated because the both filter pump outputs are located a couple of sentimeters above the surface of the water. The temperature of the water is 27-28 Celcius. I have no heater in the aquarium and the temperature falls a degree or two at night. I occasionally rise the temperature to 29 Celcius to induce Hoplos to spawn. There is a big cave in the middle of the tank built with pieces of magrove tree (about 30x20x20(height) cm in the inside measure (in the picture). There are also a coconut cave and a clay cave where the female Raphael catfish lives. The bottom material is whitish quarz sand. There are no plants rooted in the sand but there are free floating plants near the surface of the water (Ceratophyllum demersum, Elodea, Ceratopteris and java moss). A plastic lid is floating on the surface for Hoplos where they can build their bubble nests. One 30W fluorescent lamp is on twelve hours a day.Bas Pels wrote:Phoxinus, could you PLease, Please tell exactly EVERYTHING there is to know about their tank?
I change 50-60% of the water weekly to tap water. The pH in the tank water is about 6 and after the water change it rises to about 7. The water is soft. When I kept ketapang tree leaves and oak leaves in the aquarium for the Hoplos spawning, the pH drop down to about 5,5. I feed the fishes heavily one or two times a day with soaked flake food, garden peas and shrimp. Plus they get blood worms or white worms two or three times a week. I give the white worms straight from the container and the water gets quite cloudy because of the soil during the feeding.
The male Raphael catfish lives in the big mangrove cave structure. When the female swims into the cave, the male starts to chase and even bite it. I believe the spawning occurred in this cave during the night. Another possibility could be spawning in the vegetation. Platydoras hancockii is known to build a bubble nest (says in Catelog) so I wouldn’t be surprised if P. armatulus could spawn near the surface as well.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Thanks for the info!
I have seen the videos of your tank before on you-tube, looks like a hive o activity.
How old do you think the platydoras are?
Matt
I have seen the videos of your tank before on you-tube, looks like a hive o activity.
How old do you think the platydoras are?
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Hi!
Interesting... thanks for sharing this
Any idea of the conductivity??
Have you noticed a courtship before the spawn?
What do you feed them?
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Interesting... thanks for sharing this
Any idea of the conductivity??
Have you noticed a courtship before the spawn?
What do you feed them?
Cheers
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
Congratulations! Keep posting pics as it grows.
There must be someone breeding this sp. for the Oz trade on a commercial scale, hundreds available and they're not an allowable import. I'm assuming someone up north in the tropics must be farming them...
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There must be someone breeding this sp. for the Oz trade on a commercial scale, hundreds available and they're not an allowable import. I'm assuming someone up north in the tropics must be farming them...
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Thank you. The baby has grown a bit and has got more coloration.
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
I wonder if they spawn in the bubblenest of the other fish? Would that have been possible?
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Re: Is this Platydoras armatulus fry?
The male bites and chases the female and sometimes the fishes swim circle when the female goes into male's cave.Yann wrote:Have you noticed a courtship before the spawn?