gypsy king tiger ??

[andywoolloo]

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod ... catid=1042

I am confused why the gypsy in front and why the listing it as Peckoltia sp. Do you guys know why?
Are they L066?

[MatsP]

Traditionally, many of the Hypancistrus are exported as Peckoltia - I think I read somewhere it's got to do with export restrictions, and wholesalers and fish shops tend to go by what the exporter or importer names the fish.

That site is certainly a bit "funny" in it's description, e.g "... from rivers and tributaries in South America" - yeah, well, ok? So if they can't get the facts of where it is from, how can we trust them to ger ANYTHING right?

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Mats

[andywoolloo]

their eyes look very dark too, do L066 have gold eyes right? or sometimes dark like in the picture? someof the PC pics in the L066 have dark and some light unless it's just the lighting.

and yes I agree alot of their descriptions and things are interesting.

[MatsP]

"interesting" is the polite word for "rubbish" in this case, I'd say. I like to call a spade a spade - probably because of my Scandinavian background... ;)

I think the eyes depend quite a bit on the lighting, so I wouldn't put too much weight on that.

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Mats

[skaskankerbr]

Gypsy king tiger is just another name for the L66 white king tiger. Since they are on the banned list if I am not mistake often they are "renamed" and sold as "new breeds". This fools nobody, but apparently with a few American dollars they are allowed to be exported.
I distinguished the L66 as white king tiger because many people often mistake L333 as L66, however if you look at the stomach it is a clear difference. L333 has a yellow stomach, as it matures "most" of the body turns a yellowish tint, Hints their name yellow line tigers or yellow king tigers.

[andywoolloo]

so does the L066 have a white stomach? like in the cat e log listing on this site? cause mine have white stomachs.

I am wanting 4 more and do not want to order them if they aren't the same as mine. but I am thinking they are the same.

[skaskankerbr]

yes the L66 "gpsy king tiger" has a white stomach. All i recommend is providing a lot of hiding spots because each males gonna want his own. L333 and L66 are not good at sharing and can get extremely violent towards males of their own species.

[Jools]

This fools nobody, but apparently with a few American dollars they are allowed to be exported.

Interesting - you've knowledge of this?

Jools

[skaskankerbr]

This fools nobody, but apparently with a few American dollars they are allowed to be exported.

Interesting - you've knowledge of this?

Jools

Are you questioning my knowledge on the subject or joking with me that i might be involved in illegal activity?
To answer your question my friend is an importer and he gets in L66 L46 and L333 all the time and his words were "how they happen to get from Brazil to Colombia is no my problem" and "often it is bribing certain guards to be able to smuggle them in" "this is the cause of the high price and low supply of L46." "this is because of the guards becoming aware of their true value and asking for more" "it is also a crackdown of smuggling by the Brazilian government."

Problem with that? His name will not be mentioned due to privacy.

[apistomaster]

Expecting the Brazilian Hypancistrus to become very scarce, I too have noticed they are now being listed as "Peckoltia LXXX.
Companies I considered respectable have blithely renamed their Hypancistrus spp while retaining the L-Numbers, less the buyers suffer undue confusion. It would be inappropriate to name names here. If you want to buy some, let Google be your friend.

[plecoboy]

When I consider that the Brazilian government is still trying to build dams on the Xingu, I'm not sure how I feel about Xingu Hypans being smuggled. If they are potentially going to be extinct in the wild, maybe it is better for the Xingu hypans species if they are smuggled.
As for other hypans not impacted by dam development, the ban makes more sense. As we don't want to deplete the wild populations.

[apistomaster]

As a fellow aquarist, I understand your sentiments but Brazil is a sovereign nation, free to manage their resources as they please.
The United States does not have a good enough record with regard to building hydroelectric dams and wisely managing the effects on commercially valuable fisheries to throw any stones. Brazil may someday surprise us and end up doing a better job than we have.

[Jon]

"I distinguished the L66 as white king tiger because many people often mistake L333 as L66, however if you look at the stomach it is a clear difference. L333 has a yellow stomach, as it matures "most" of the body turns a yellowish tint, Hints their name yellow line tigers or yellow king tigers."

Belly coloration is not by any means a foolproof way to distinguish between these two numbers. I've had yellowish L-66's, and whiter 333s, or whatever. There's a reason why this group of hypancistrus tends to be a classificatory (or whatever semblance there is of actually classification in L numerals) maelstrom. Physiology is probably your best bet for separating the two. L-333 is a far clunkier, high bodied fish.


"Problem with that?"

With so few posts, it's probably not a great idea to be so hot headed with the webmaster. Anyways, I think the thrust of the message here is that when making accusations of such implicative activities as bribery, it is a good idea to have firsthand experience, not just going at it by honesty of word. Anyone can spout off a; "yeah bro, I got a guy. He tells me these things.".

Just sayin'.

[skaskankerbr]

administator or not doesn't give him the right. Posts don't = power. nor do they = knowledge.

Indeed and my position does not give me, or anyone else, the right to be rude either. I asked a legitimate question looking to understand your experience in the matter (I was interested to see if this was first hand experience or not - to which you've answered, thanks) and I got a "problem with that" in your reply. Hence your warning.

We're a pretty gentle bunch here at this site, you may wish to tone down your replies somewhat (in keeping with the general helpfulness hopefully seen across most posts) and we'll all get along just fine.

Jools

[Barbie]

To say Jools does not = knowledge in any way, shape, or form, while you're actually using this fantastic information filled site is offensive to me. The man is a walking catfish encyclopedia. Look around!

Making slanderous comments without personal experience could make the board libel for your opinion.

Now, back to the original topic.

I've seen L66 listed as Gypsy King Tigers on wholesale lists for years. In some cases, they just never got around to updating the name they called them as more information was recognized. Keep in mind, the exporters usually aren't hobbyists. They don't know it's very important that we get collection locales and what not. They just know that the more contrasting the color, the better plecos sell.

Barbie

[skaskankerbr]

To say Jools does not = knowledge in any way, shape, or form, while you're actually using this fantastic information filled site is offensive to me. The man is a walking catfish encyclopedia. Look around!

Making slanderous comments without personal experience could make the board libel for your opinion.

Now, back to the original topic.

I've seen L66 listed as Gypsy King Tigers on wholesale lists for years. In some cases, they just never got around to updating the name they called them as more information was recognized. Keep in mind, the exporters usually aren't hobbyists. They don't know it's very important that we get collection locales and what not. They just know that the more contrasting the color, the better plecos sell.

Barbie

it was a general statement not directed twords any one person. Anybody can post a lot. Posting valuable things is worth while. You jumped to conclusions that i meant that jools wasn't smart. He isn't smart because he's the admin and he has high post count he's smart because he reads and knows information. You are insuating that that they have a direct relationship and they don't. Thats all I said. you took my comment out of context.

[Bas Pels]

it was a general statement not directed twords any one person. Anybody can post a lot. Posting valuable things is worth while. You jumped to conclusions that i meant that jools wasn't smart. He isn't smart because he's the admin and he has high post count he's smart because he reads and knows information. You are insuating that that they have a direct relationship and they don't. Thats all I said. you took my comment out of context.

As a moderator on another (Dutch) forum, I know how much things which are generally true, can hurt when written on a wrong time. you did imply a lot about Jools.

On many fora it is easy to post a lot without any sense: just welcom every new member, and congratulate them each time a full year is completed. On this forum, however, the amount of information is so much, anybody posting a lot must at least know a lot about something (I post mostly in general topics, such as chemistry)

I get the impression you yourself have interesting knowledge, but as always, others do as well

[Jools]

it was a general statement not directed twords any one person.

The post (that which I quoted from and is now deleted, and I will respect that and not repost it here) was directed at the administrator of the site. There's only one of them and that's me - taking you at your word then it wasn't meant to be directed at me, but I think most people that read it, read that meaning into it. They can't now revisit it as it's hidden due to deletion, so let's just draw line under this...

Jools