L25 breeding in 2ft tank.

Loracidlover · Post by **Loracidlover** » 26 Nov 2008, 22:11

I stumbled upon this Singaporean forum page this evening and figured it may be of interest. The linked page shows pictures of a L25 pair that were successfully spawned in a Japanese fishkeepers aquarium I believe earlier this year, what seems most astonishing about this is that the spawning took place between two 24cm fish in a 2ft aquarium!

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=784

CanadaPleco · Post by **CanadaPleco** » 27 Nov 2008, 01:39

WOW, that's just crazy.

jopbgon · Post by **jopbgon** » 27 Nov 2008, 03:29

Amazing

Cristoffer Forssander · Post by **Cristoffer Forssander** » 27 Nov 2008, 09:36

Probably like many other plecos you just need a pair, and a good pair. And then they are not so hard to breed.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 27 Nov 2008, 09:38

I would expect, however, that that small a tank would require a huge amount of water changes...

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Mats

Loracidlover · Post by **Loracidlover** » 27 Nov 2008, 09:45

Apparently water change routine was two thirds, once a week.

ElTofi · Post by **ElTofi** » 27 Nov 2008, 10:25

Very interesting,

I'm surprised cause we only can see around 5-8 youngsters ???

We know that Pseuda genus is quiet productive indeed... where is the rest of the clutch ?

Anyway, nice subject, well documented by pictures... it would be so interesting to find a translated article... does anyone speak Japanese ?

Tofi-who-would-love-to-breed-his-Pseuda-L25-too

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 27 Nov 2008, 20:15

Hi!!

Really found sad...housing such fish in such small tank...
They are like in Sardines' can.
I shall not encourage anyone to try this.
As a hobbist we are supposed to give the best home for our fish...obviously housing 2 25cm fish in a 60liter tank wouldn't be what I call the best..but certainly the worst that can be given.
And I wouldn't use the fact that they bred meant that they are happy with the situation.
Breeding can also be explain as a survival instinct when conditions deteriorate...
There is no ethic in that breeding...even the most successful it can be...

Cheers
Yann

Erlend D Bertelsen · Post by **Erlend D Bertelsen** » 27 Nov 2008, 21:33

Is crazy!

I meet Mr. Seidel some weekends ago, and he showed the pictures. I could not believe it. I also believe it is important not to encourage anybody to try the same. It is probely a lucy.

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CanadaPleco · Post by **CanadaPleco** » 27 Nov 2008, 22:26

Yann wrote:Hi!!

Really found sad...housing such fish in such small tank...
They are like in Sardines' can.
I shall not encourage anyone to try this.
As a hobbist we are supposed to give the best home for our fish...obviously housing 2 25cm fish in a 60liter tank wouldn't be what I call the best..but certainly the worst that can be given.
And I wouldn't use the fact that they bred meant that they are happy with the situation.
Breeding can also be explain as a survival instinct when conditions deteriorate...
There is no ethic in that breeding...even the most successful it can be...

Cheers
Yann

Well said, I would have to agree with you totally on that!

Cristoffer Forssander · Post by **Cristoffer Forssander** » 27 Nov 2008, 22:57

I was sure to read about a L25 breeding soon, but I did'nt want to see it like that. I hoped for much more... rather like the L114 and L600 article.

The only good thing with this is that L25 is quite possible to breed.

I've seen horrible example of catfish keeping on youtube from "some geografic areas" that keeps all to many nice plecos in a overful tank.

ElTofi · Post by **ElTofi** » 28 Nov 2008, 05:53

I totally agree with you Yann, the tank is definitely too small (even if it's 60 cm and not 60 liters

)... and it's probably a breeding due to stressing conditions... but anyway, the point is that L25 has been bred... and that's a good point...

Now, people like Harvaard, like me and some others just have to try it in a "decent sized tank"... and believe me, I will try hard

I want to believe that the main problem is to find mature individuals and a good sex ratio... and eventually a good sized tank, too...

Loracidlover · Post by **Loracidlover** » 28 Nov 2008, 10:02

Yann wrote:Hi!!

Really found sad...housing such fish in such small tank...
They are like in Sardines' can.
I shall not encourage anyone to try this.
As a hobbist we are supposed to give the best home for our fish...obviously housing 2 25cm fish in a 60liter tank wouldn't be what I call the best..but certainly the worst that can be given.
And I wouldn't use the fact that they bred meant that they are happy with the situation.
Breeding can also be explain as a survival instinct when conditions deteriorate...
There is no ethic in that breeding...even the most successful it can be...

Cheers
Yann

I agree totally, I'm amazed anybody would try and keep a pair in a 60 litre tank, it's clearly far too small. My first though also was this could be stress reaction breeding. Still an interesting piece of info, if certainly not an example to follow.

Royeight · Post by **Royeight** » 28 Nov 2008, 22:06

Wow, Thats amazing~!

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