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Re: 720 liter pl*co, discus and tetra tank

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Haavard Stoere wrote:All plans changed, and I build a rockscape instead for my second 720 liter tank.

It was built in much the same way as my Green phantom tank, but with darker rocks. At the moment I keep 7 Hemiancistrus sp. L-128 and 7 Baryancistrus dematoides L-200 "hi-fin". I removed most of the several hundred of lemon tetras tonight, so that I can photograph the catfish over the next few weeks. In the near future I only want a small school of Colombian tetras as company for myself and the catfish. Huge shoals of fish are nice, but it makes photograpy difficult. I will not keep discus in this tank as it is totally unsuitable.

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what type of rock is that? ..............go easy on me im new :D
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The rocks are from the coastal area of Norway where I live. I don`t know the name of the rocks or if the rocks even have a name. I can at least say that they are not made from sediments.
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A large proportion of the rock of Norway is granite (same rock that makes up most of Sweden), but of course just because most of it is granite doesn't make these pieces parts of that.

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what ever it is i want some that tank looks awsome :mrgreen:
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The most important thing is to observe how rocks behave in nature, and try to place the rocks in the same fashion as where they were collected. The rocks themselves don`t need to be spectacular. It is the relationship between the pieces that makes the landscape.
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Haavard Stoere wrote:The most important thing is to observe how rocks behave in nature, and try to place the rocks in the same fashion as where they were collected. The rocks themselves don`t need to be spectacular. It is the relationship between the pieces that makes the landscape.
That is a very good point.

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I'm generally not one to hold back on praise as it is often due, but personally after following most of Haavard's threads i would say the aquascapes are a work of pure genius! :thumbsup:
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Richard B wrote:I'm generally not one to hold back on praise as it is often due, but personally after following most of Haavard's threads i would say the aquascapes are a work of pure genius! :thumbsup:
I have to agree with you Richard. One of the other things that really comes through from reading Haavard's threads is his passion for all apsects of fishkeeping.
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Haavard Stoere wrote:The most important thing is to observe how rocks behave in nature, and try to place the rocks in the same fashion as where they were collected. The rocks themselves don`t need to be spectacular. It is the relationship between the pieces that makes the landscape.
thanks mate that makes alot of scense :thumbsup:. im just looking to get some rocks in the wild i haven't got a clue which is good or bad and i haven't got the money to pay the LFS prices
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russ1979 wrote:thanks mate that makes alot of scense :thumbsup:. im just looking to get some rocks in the wild i haven't got a clue which is good or bad and i haven't got the money to pay the LFS prices
Just beware that A LOT of local rock is calciferous in England. If you live up-north, you may be OK (Lake District or more north), or if you live in Cornwall. But if you are anywhere within 100 miles of London, then I'd say you probably are better off going for some other source than "nature".

You can get good stone from garden centres. Slate is OK for use in fish-tanks, as is quartz, granite and basalt. Marble, dolomite is not.

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russ1979 wrote:thanks mate that makes alot of scense :thumbsup:. im just looking to get some rocks in the wild i haven't got a clue which is good or bad and i haven't got the money to pay the LFS prices
Just beware that A LOT of local rock is calciferous in England. If you live up-north, you may be OK (Lake District or more north), or if you live in Cornwall. But if you are anywhere within 100 miles of London, then I'd say you probably are better off going for some other source than "nature".

You can get good stone from garden centres. Slate is OK for use in fish-tanks, as is quartz, granite and basalt. Marble, dolomite is not.

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im from the isle of wight mate don't think iv'e much chance then
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Nice coloured sand, but not a good place for finding good rocks for your tank, unfortuantely.

Garden centres, however, often sell larger lumps of stone per kilo, and whilst it's not "free" it's often better than the fish shop - and the stones in the fish shop probably comes from exactly the same gravel pit or quarry.

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MatsP wrote:Nice coloured sand, but not a good place for finding good rocks for your tank, unfortuantely.

Garden centres, however, often sell larger lumps of stone per kilo, and whilst it's not "free" it's often better than the fish shop - and the stones in the fish shop probably comes from exactly the same gravel pit or quarry.

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r mostly all types of metophoric rocks ok
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Do you mean "metamorphic"? I don't know for sure. Basically, we want chemically inert stone - stone that don't change the water conditions.

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One always tends to find rocks and landscapes that are exotic to us more attractive than our own local stuff.

My favourite rock collecting trips were in the south of england a couple of years ago. My younger brother, my father and me collected rocks and fossils at Lyme Regis and Charmouth beach. The rocks there are rather porous, and makes the aquarium water alcaline and hard. Not at all suitable for use in pleco tanks.

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Charmouth Beach... The idiot risking his life under the cliffs is me. It is incredibly exiting to be the first to scavange through new landslides. The stuff there haven`t seen daylight in 160 million years. We don`t have these fossil meckas in Norway.
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I used some of the rocks and fossils in this 200liter setup for green shrimps (Caridina babaulti). The fog is from gibsen added to make the water even harder. The substrate is made from pieces of ammonites and belemnites.
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Yes, my point exactly about southern englands rocks: They make the water hard. And as opposed to most of Norway, southern England water is already quite hard, so no need to add gypsum [Gibsen is perhaps the Norwegian for Gypsum].

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The trick to getting these stunning aquascapes is patience, patience, patience, and an eye for the aesthetic.

Sadly I lack both of these qualities, but I do own a copy of Takashi Amano's Nature Aquarium World, which beautifully explains the principles involved, such as the "golden ratio".

Attention to detail is another critical factor - for example having a substrate of the same colour as the rocks will make a huge difference in tricking the eye to "believe" in the aquascape.

Also, you must never compromise or cut corners, or you will end up with sub-standard results!

As for the rocks, my LFS sells rocks in the shop at £2/kg, but outside in the garden/pond area sells the same rocks for £2 each regardless of size!

Haarvard, what lighting are you using on the plec tank?
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Everyday lighting is from a hanging lamp containing 2x36 watt t8 with cheap Biltema daylight tubes.
When photographing fish I use external flashlamps tied to the hanging lamp directing the light vertically upon the tank.

This picture shows the 4 portaflash lamps that are connected to the camera via cabel.
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MatsP wrote:Yes, my point exactly about southern englands rocks: They make the water hard. And as opposed to most of Norway, southern England water is already quite hard, so no need to add gypsum [Gibsen is perhaps the Norwegian for Gypsum].

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racoll wrote:The trick to getting these stunning aquascapes is patience, patience, patience, and an eye for the aesthetic.
Whilst I agree with Rupert about lacking these quantities (me, not Rupert) I also think a degree of technical competence/aptitude is required. Judging by other comments on Harvaard's threads I'm not alone in thinking that Harvaard's tanks are the most aesthetically pleasing I've seen, but even with the same materials (and a good eye) I wouldn't be able to assemble the aquascape effectively.

My own tanks are more a case of find what slate I've got left in my dad's loft, from my tanks 17 years ago, buy new gravel, buy wood, shove them in the tank, then have to buy pretty hideous plastic plants to give some vertical element to the tank and to make the cichlids dodge round them rather than charge each other across the length of the tank, or where cichlids are absent to give some cover for grumpy cats.
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Thanks for the advice its really got me thinking about my tank. I have been fishkeeping for just under 2 years and my tank looks like your average fishkeepers tank with not much of it being in tune with nature in the way it has been set up. so thanks for your ideas keep them coming, can anyone recommend any other books??
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Thanks for the advice its really got me thinking about my tank. I have been fishkeeping for just under 2 years and my tank looks like your average fishkeepers tank with not much of it being in tune with nature in the way it has been set up. so thanks for your ideas keep them coming, can anyone recommend any other books??
Not that it was bad to post here but why don't you start a thread specifically about your tank and then everyone can see the difference the extra time and effort makes as your tank develops into what you wish it to be.

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Very beautifull tank(s) Haavard. You are really good to make exciting aquariums, I am impressed!
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An update of the tank.

The tank houses 7 Hemiancistrus sp. L128, 7 Baryancistrus demantoides and 19 columbian tetras.

Yesterday evening/night I got some inspiration with a little aid from a bottle of red wine. I pulled out the largest rock, and redesigned the lower part of the tank to make more space in the middle. Under each pile of rocks there are large slate caves for the plecos to hide in. In this picture you can see both of the large male Hemiancistrus sp. L128.
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My two biggest Hemiancistrus sp. L128 are definite males. They occupy one half of the tank each. There are some quarrels, but I haven`t seen any sign of a real fight yet. They have become very hairy and beautiful.
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Every morning when I turn the lights on the 19 colombian tetras starts patrolling in tight formation around the tank. During the day they are scattered more around the tank. I really like the size of these fish. Perfect for a large tank. The fast currents are not a problem.
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Great photo of the Male 128 - very hairy indeed!!!

Nice looking tetras too.
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niceeeee :foggie:

i rlly love to see pics of the L128 :mrgreen:

they r BEAUTIFULL!!! :D

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Very nice tank :)
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Hi Haavard.

You can get inspiration on the red vine whenever you want. Your L200-L128's tank looked incredible for me, now better. I think you'll never stop getting ready your set up. This is your destiny....and many times the vine or so can be a very good help.
By other hand, had you try whit any bogwoog with them? They really like to gnaw on it.

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