Feeding L134 fry

[piwi]

Hello,

For 6 weeks I’ve got 18 l134 fry, for the first 5 weeks I’ve kept them in the tank with the parents, they all survived no problems at all. Last weekend I’ve moved them to a smaller thank with the exact same water values. After 3 days I discovered 3 of them dead in the tank, after I examined them it looks like there bellies are empty so I wonder what to feed them, maybe this is the problem?

I now feed them 2 times artemia and 1 time frozen artemia or bloodworms a day. Every time there is al lot that isn’t eaten so what can I do?

Also I’ve got a second nest with fry, I think that I keep these with the parents in the big tank till they are several months old.

Thanks for your help

[Janne]

L134 fry is Herbivores and should only be fed vegetables the first weeks/month, they can also be fed plecotabs containing spirulina.

Janne

[piwi]

From this site @ shanes world i read "I fed the fry newly hatched artemia and the shrimp mix " These are not vegetables ! But you say i should fead vegetables like courgette and algea waffers ??

[piwi]

I fed algae wafers and courgette yesterday but it looks like nothings touched so far.. Anyone an idea what I can try to feed them?

[Barbie]

First, are their yolk sacs completely absorbed? If so, then I would recommend trying frozen daphnia, hikari sinking wafers, or New Life Spectrum growth pellets, in addition to the vegetable matter. Young fry seem to know which foods they should eat and will gravitate towards the ones they need, IME, as long as they can't choke on it. I try to feed a variety of foods every day, so nothing is going hungry. I hope this helps! I'd love to have more advice but my L134 fry won't start eating until tomorrow or the next day at the rate they're developing and they are my first Peckoltia species.

Barbie

[piwi]

Thanks for your help ! There yolk sacs are completely absorbed they are 6 weeks old and they live for about 10 days from there yolk sacs. I’ve tried hikari sinking wafers but they don’t eat these... Daphnia I should buy and look if they eat this...
I also have a second nest of l134 and they should start to eat tomorrow of the day after...

[Janne]

It was some years ago I wrote that article but shrimp mix contains quite a lot of vegetables, at that age of 6 weeks they eat lettuce with good apetite but needs also algea waffers of good quality.

Janne

[DutchFry]

hey piwi!

you can also try to grow algue on some flat stones. just place the stones in water, preferably in a plastic transparent container or tank, then put this tank right in front of a window so that it is getting lots of sunlight. in a few days a tiny layer of algue will appear. now place the stones with the fresh algue on it in the tank and leave it there for a couple of days. keep fingers crossed and hope they will eat!

another trick from the book:

1. Grind your favourite fish food to bits. You can add any kind of fish food and even ground, dried vegetables.
2. Separate an egg white from the yolk.
3. Mix the egg white and fish food.
4. Paint the resulting mixture on a flat rock or driftwood.
5. Let it dry rock hard.

source: http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworl ... cle_id=294

I wish you the best of luck!

[piwi]

Hello,
It has bin a wile sins a last posted here but here some good news ! All my L134 fry are still alive, the biggest ones are 3,5 cm. They now eat a lot of andijvie (don’t know the English word) but it’s a vegetable with leafs.
Does anyone know when they are going to eat bloodworms, frozen artemia etc ?

Thanks a lot !

[loachy_406]

Well done on raising them. How many are there?
Lettuce?

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They will probably start eating bloodworms when they are big enough to fit them in their mouthes. I can't really say when that will be.
Can we have some pictures please? Please?

[loachy_406]

Aha!

Endive (Cichorium endivia) is a one-year bladgewas which is closely related to chicory (Cichorium intybus var. Foliosum). The vegetable is available virtually throughout the year. In the winter and early spring the endives from the greenhouses, this endive is much softer than the cold ground and has a shorter cooking time.
Endive is a cooked or raw leafy vegetables that can be eaten. Apart or stamppot. The yellow heart tastes delicious in a fresh salad.
In the Netherlands, about 700 hectares cultivated endive. Endive is on Dutch soil mainly in the period mid-June to mid-november. Because of the sensitivity doorschieten need for the plants for the early crops are grown in warm. If endive after the longest day (June 21) is ge zaaid shoot them in the same year no more. Especially the green outer leaf of endive is rich in vitamin A and vitamin C and minerals.

Translated (badly) by Google from Wikipedia. Never heard of Endive, does it go by any other name or is it just not seen in England.

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[Bas Pels]

according to my dictionary, Dutch - English, Andijvie (Dutch) has only 1 translation - endive

It is a salad like vegetable, but it can be eaten cooked as well. Howevrer, after cooking it is something which fists very well in the traditional Dutch 'cuisine' - which I dislike fiercely

[DutchFry]

Andijvie is disguisting!

but if the L134 are eating it, there might be a purpose for it after all

[apistomaster]

I fed them earth worm sticks and chilled newly hatched Artemia nauplii. They also occasionally get fed Spirulina stick and frozen blood worms.
I have never tried any garden vegetable. They appear to be a primarily carnivorous species to me.

I have been raising over 100 fry since they first spawned late Winter/early Spring. Four spawns altogether. The first spawn numbered fewest, 10. Those first fry are now 4 cm and up.

[piwi]

Hello,

I just discovered a new nest ! This is the third nest in 3 months an every time from the same couple ! The first nest had 18 juveniles (3 died) the second nest only had 6 juveniles and the new nest looks about 15/20 eggs
The juveniles from the first nest grow very good and eat lots of andijvie  Here some pictures.

few days old fry with youlksak
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They are now a lot bigger !

[Janne]

They appear to be a primarily carnivorous species to me.

I dont agree with that, they are primarily omnivorus towards herbivores in their diet, they are sensitive against food with to high protein contents and special Blood worms if we here meens red mosquito larvae. They are fast growers and a 3 months old youngster should reach >4 cm if they recived perfect care, they even grow so fast only fed on vegetables but vegetables pollute the water easier so more water changes are needed. A balanced diet between vegetables like lettuce and a tablet food like spirulina sticks, JBL Novo Fect etc. combined with frequent water changes is a perfect diet...you can sell them after 5 months at 6-7 cm for the biggest and if you save some of them you can start to breed them after a year. Frozen Cyclops and similar frozen food is good for larger youngsters and adults, fry can be offered newly hatched Artemia nauplii but is not necessary.


Janne

[piwi]

Hi,

My third nest is going different than the other two.... The fry hatshed last saturday but the male stopped guarding the nest yesterday so now al the fry with youlsacks are free in the tank ! Does annyone know if this is dangerous, if the other addult l134 should eat them ? Thanks....

[MatsP]

Hi,

My third nest is going different than the other two.... The fry hatshed last saturday but the male stopped guarding the nest yesterday so now al the fry with youlsacks are free in the tank ! Does annyone know if this is dangerous, if the other addult l134 should eat them ? Thanks....

Other fish (including peckoltia) will eat fry with egg-sack. You may want to put them in a breeding net, with an air-stone. That should be OK.

--
Mats

[piwi]

Thanks for your reply ! When i get home I will put them in a breeding tank.... I wonder why the male doesnt eat the fry ? Should he know that the fry are his and therefore dont eat them ? There are no other fish in the tank, just eleven addult l134....

[Janne]

Another male could have tried to take over the cave and under the fight the fry was flushed out of mistake, common when several males in the same size are present. The male that breed is or was the dominat male and occupied the best spawning cave and another are challenging him, but a large group can breed together as long you have more females...for example, you have 11 L134 and if 2-3 is males and the rest females you would probably have more spawns.

Janne

[apistomaster]

I think Janne and I will have to agree to disagree over the diets that are best but each of us have found through experience what works for us.
One of he reasons earth worm sticks are such a good food for Hypancistrus and Peckoltia spp is that it is a food based on earthworms but also contains Spirulina and shrimp. I also use Spirulina sticks which are, of course based on Spirulina but contain shrimp. These two foods make a good staple diet but one should also include fresh frozen, live foods and veggies if your fish will eat them. mine don't seem very interested in veggies and breeding and raising a fish is about as good a measure of their health and happiness as we can have.

[piwi]

@ Janne I’ve got 3 male and 8 female l134 in this tank so i think this is good…

@ All, all of the last born fry was eaten So the next time I have a nest I will catch them and place them in a breeding tank....