Can anyone tell me witch loricariidae this is (pictures)

piwi · Post by **piwi** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:23

Hello everyone,

Two weeks ago I bought 2 male and one female of this catfish. Unfortunately I forgot to write down the name of this beautiful fish ! Can anyone tell me witch loricariidae I have ? Thanks a lot !

racoll · Post by **racoll** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:29

Hi.

IDing whiptails is not easy.

Although your pictures are very good quality, try to get some more showing the fish from different angles.

Shots of the mouth would be handy too.

piwi · Post by **piwi** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:33

Ok I will try to get some other pictures, only problem is that the thank is 1300 liters and has a lot of wood in it so they are not always that visible

racoll · Post by **racoll** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:41

know the feeling!

Post by **Janne** » 24 Dec 2007, 12:51

Your fish looks to be a .
Try to find out their catching locality, there are several S. sp looking similare.
They prefer very heavy current and are one of the most interesting species to watch in an aquarium after they get settled in.

Janne

keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 24 Dec 2007, 13:40

I just called with the importeur of the fish and he said it's from Brasil. The station it came from is most likely Tocantins.

Maybe u can conclude some things now?

Post by **Janne** » 24 Dec 2007, 14:59

In that case I think it's the same species as this one, the species collected in Rio Tocantins seems to be the same as them cought in Rio Guama but I cant swear thats true, so treat them as they would two different species until they are described for sure what species they are. The pictures in the Cat-eLog shows a mature male in breeding condition.

Janne

Bas Pels · Post by **Bas Pels** » 24 Dec 2007, 15:42

So these are the fishes we discussed about, Keukenprins?

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 24 Dec 2007, 16:02

piwi wrote: Unfortunately I forgot to write down the name of this beautiful fish

If they had a name, why don't you call the LFS to give it to you?

keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 24 Dec 2007, 17:55

Bas Pels wrote:So these are the fishes we discussed about, Keukenprins?

No i don't think so but i'm not sure.
Didn't we talk abouth te Loricaria simillima?

Bas Pels · Post by **Bas Pels** » 24 Dec 2007, 19:02

We did, you are right, keukenprins

keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 24 Dec 2007, 19:06

Marc van Arc wrote:
piwi wrote: Unfortunately I forgot to write down the name of this beautiful fish
If they had a name, why don't you call the LFS to give it to you?

They didn't order them and they didn't get a name.
The did call them an Rineloricaria spiecies but with a lot of ???? behind it.

keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 24 Dec 2007, 19:08

Bas Pels wrote:We did, you are right, keukenprins

Whan't to see the fry?

Bas Pels · Post by **Bas Pels** » 24 Dec 2007, 19:12

yes, certainly

ps - perhaps adding NL to Oss in your profile might explain our conversation to others. We've met

keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 24 Dec 2007, 21:25

Bas Pels wrote:yes, certainly

ps - perhaps adding NL to Oss in your profile might explain our conversation to others. We've met

You can find my topic here.

http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... hp?t=21785

Post by **Shane** » 25 Dec 2007, 07:30

I would need to see some clearer pics, but this looks like the pretty Loricaria from the llanos of Colombia and Venezuela. It is in the Cat-eLog as

-Shane

keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 25 Dec 2007, 07:42

Shane wrote:I would need to see some clearer pics, but this looks like the pretty Loricaria from the llanos of Colombia and Venezuela. It is in the Cat-eLog as

Loricaria sp`rio_orituco'

-Shane

But it's catched in Brasil!?!?!?!

Post by **Shane** » 25 Dec 2007, 07:48

But it's catched in Brasil!?!?!?!

Maybe. Assuming that 1) the importer is correct and/or 2) the Brazilian exporter is not transhipping fishes from Bogota. You would need a look at the list from the exporter not the importer. You may find that while the exporter is based in Brazil he/she is exporting fishes collected from many places. The local fish stores in South Africa all buy from Brazilian exporters as shipping is cheapest from Brazil to Johannesburg, among those shipments are all the normal Colombian fishes from the llanos and Orinoco.
-Shane

keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 25 Dec 2007, 07:56

Shane wrote:
But it's catched in Brasil!?!?!?!
Maybe. Assuming that 1) the importer is correct and/or 2) the Brazilian exporter is not transhipping fishes from Bogota. You would need a look at the list from the exporter not the importer. You may find that while the exporter is based in Brazil he/she is exporting fishes collected from many places. The local fish stores in South Africa all buy from Brazilian exporters as shipping is cheapest from Brazil to Johannesburg, among those shipments are all the normal Colombian fishes from the llanos and Orinoco.
-Shane

South afrika?

The shop we bought them imports al him fish direct from South America. From many diferend places.
Thes ware in a shiping from Tocantins.

Post by **Shane** » 25 Dec 2007, 15:55

Keukenprins,
I think this is a language issue. There are many exporters in Brazil that trans-ship fishes from throughout Central and South America. Just because the fish was bought from an exporter in Brazil does not mean that it was captured in Brazil.
All of the Colombian fishes that we receive in South Africa come from an exporter in Brazil just as all the West African imports we receive come from exporters in Kenya. This does not mean that Panaque maccus is found near Manaus anymore than it means Pelvicachromis pulcher is found near Nairobi. Hope that makes sense.
-Shane

Raph · Post by **Raph** » 25 Dec 2007, 17:49

Hi,

That's a Spatuloricaria, no doubt. If Tocantins is the correct locality, Spatuloricaria evansii could match considering the colour pattern.

Cheers
Raph.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 25 Dec 2007, 22:58

Keukenprins,
Als je hulp wil hebben met vertalen, laat het maar weten.

@ everybody else: just offering some help with translating.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 26 Dec 2007, 09:54

Shane wrote:I would need to see some clearer pics, but this looks like the pretty Loricaria from the llanos of Colombia and Venezuela. It is in the Cat-eLog as

Loricaria sp`rio_orituco`

-Shane

This went through my mind initially too, especially because you can't see the mouth in the photos in this post, it makes it even more tempting an ID. However, the size and placement of the eyes look like to me. The clincher I'd say is the pronouced lateral keel and the greater head depth which again point to .

I don't think we'd be able to ID this species better than getting its genus right. If there's any chance of a head on or mouth shot, that would help at least get that right.

Jools

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keukenprins · Post by **keukenprins** » 26 Dec 2007, 12:17

Marc van Arc wrote:Keukenprins,
Als je hulp wil hebben met vertalen, laat het maar weten.

@ everybody else: just offering some help with translating.

Mijn engels is niet best dat weet ik maar lezen gaat prima hoor.
Denk eerder dat zijn mijn steenkolen engels niet duidelijk is *LOL*.
@all, i said that my englisch was poor, but everyone did notice that i geus ;)

piwi · Post by **piwi** » 26 Dec 2007, 18:05

First I would like to thank everyone for helping id-ing this fish When I can I shall make a picture of the head but at this moment they all are hiding behind a big piece of wood !

piwi · Post by **piwi** » 30 Dec 2007, 17:04

Here are some new pictures ! Hope these will help id-ing the fisch.

Post by **Janne** » 30 Dec 2007, 22:26

Spatuloricaria and a female, Raph suggested this species Spatuloricaria evansii, I think it can be the same species I had from Rio guama but it needs to be confirmed if they occur in the both rivers.

Janne

piwi · Post by **piwi** » 02 Jan 2008, 12:07

Thanks to everyone who helped id-ing !

I have searched PC but couldn’t find out what the fish would like to eat ? Then I tried Google but there wasn’t much info to find about this fish…

Can anyone tell me what the fish loves to eat ? Maybe some info of breeding with the fish ? Thanks a lot !!

racoll · Post by **racoll** » 02 Jan 2008, 13:03

Spatuloricaria shouldn't be hard to feed.

All frozen and dried food should be eaten.

Post by **Janne** » 02 Jan 2008, 21:21

And they have a very interesting feeding behaviour, they turn upside down on small stones to search for food...it looks quite funny when they throw away a stone and quickly are there with the mouth to eat.
They seems to be carnivore and small crustaceans should be a natural food for them, to breed they require very strong current. You find them in waterfalls and rappids in the nature and they are very difficult to catch.

Janne

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