What fish is this?

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 12 Aug 2007, 14:40

Sorry, i have same post in "loricariids forum"
Now i see this...

Hello, I am from Romania - Bucharest, and few days ago i buyed a fish. I really love all Loricariids, and when i see a new one i buy it ...
But I don't know what is this. Can u help me pls?
Here are 2 pictures...

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/281/dscf1185tk7.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3697/dscf1195mf0.jpg

Chrysichthys · Post by **Chrysichthys** » 12 Aug 2007, 15:18

By Monday some of the pleco experts will have had a look, but in the meantime I would say that it's a .

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 12 Aug 2007, 18:25

Could be an L170...i guess, after a looong look at the list of planet catfish.
I really want to speak with an administrator of this site.
Now i try to make an aquarium website ".ro" especially for Loricariids. I want to know if there is some ways to may I to use your information, pictures...i hope u will let me to do this...
Sorry for my poor English.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 12 Aug 2007, 21:56

1. I don't think your fish is L170, it's got the shape of a Panaque, so or a close relative is the most likely candidate.

2. Jools the webmaster can be reached by mailing to webmaster (at) planetcatfish (dot) com. But I can say for almost certain that you can't get the rights to the pictures here from Jools - as he doesn't have any right to redistribute the pictures outside this site. The photographer retains those rights, in return for not getting paid by Jools - to buy the right to distribute pictures (at least from Professional photographers, which at least some of the pictures come from) is expensive. You may be able to negotiate with the individuals holding the rights to the pictures - there should be a name attached to each photo, so you can contact the owner if you like.

As to the information in the Cat-eLog, I don't know - I suspect Jools wouldn't like to give it away - and there are others than Jools that have put some substantial effort into the Cat-eLog what it is today.

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Mats

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 13 Aug 2007, 01:04

ok, i quit the idea with pictures from this site.
thanx a lot for the answer...i hope i will find what is my fish...

Post by **Janne** » 13 Aug 2007, 01:23

It´s a Hypancistrus species and nothing else, but its a little difficult to see on this pictures which one.
It could be L129 or L340, if you can take new pictures under water with normal colouration it would help a little.

Janne

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 13 Aug 2007, 12:10

The pictures are made in a white bucket...with water of course.
i look at the l numbers u say...but don't look like this. Is more like 170 or panaque maccus. The colours are real...underwater or not...

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5343/dscf1204di9.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8753/dscf1187uc6.jpg

I really want to know what is it because if this can be breed relatively easy in aquarium i'll buy 10 specimens. With pre order...loricariids are very rare in my country. For now i have just ancistrus longfin to breed.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 13 Aug 2007, 12:54

Given the "from above" pictures, I agree with Janne, it's a Hypancistrus for sure - L340 or L129 are therefore your candidates.

They have been bred, but they are probably not the easisest to breed. Always worth a try tho. The fish in the picture is a male, I'm 99% sure.

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Mats

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 14 Aug 2007, 14:08

Hello,
I am not sure what are you saiyng here...i believe is more a Panaque maccus, or els...i hope more answers from you...
Until then, look at rest of mine and tell me pls am i right?
L191, L190, L239...???
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4188/mybeautiesve0.jpg

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 14 Aug 2007, 14:13

I doubt your fish are actually P. maccus - Janne is more familiar with the Hypancistrus than me, and when I saw the "from above" pictures, I too believe it's Hypancistrus - which means L129/L340.

As to your other fish, you have two of some variety - there is a whole bunch of them, and I have a hard time telling them apart - they are very difficult to tell apart - the best way to know which is which is by the capture location - assuming of course you trust the seller!

The "black" fish in the middle is impossible to identify from the picture - could be L239, but could be just about any other "black" fish too.

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Mats

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 14 Aug 2007, 14:28

The blue fish is really blue, the panaque nigrolineatus looks just like L190 (I look a lot of time at your pictures), and L191 looks like an 191.
All that i say is after hours i looked at pictures from your Cat-E-Log.
About Hypancistrus...ok...i believe you, but don't looks like L129/L340. And he is (I am sure is a male) like 6-7 cm long.The colours and shapes are most like L170 and P. Maccus.

. I quit to find an answer...

About L239 here is anyone that breed them? Because the vendor here, has more 2 specimens...may be i am lucky and i will have a family...

AngelicusFish · Post by **AngelicusFish** » 14 Aug 2007, 15:08

[quote="yogi69"]Hello,
I am not sure what are you saiyng here...i believe is more a Panaque maccus, or els...i hope more answers from you...
Until then, look at rest of mine and tell me pls am i right?
L191, L190, L239...???
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4188/mybeautiesve0.jpg[/quote]

Yup you are right about those three fish.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 14 Aug 2007, 16:39

1. The eyes are far too big for P. maccus
2. The hairy pectoral fins are not quite that hairy on P. maccus, male or not.

This, and the overall body shape, made me say that it's Hypancistrus - not simply becuase I wanted to agree with Janne - if I for some reason don't agree with Janne, then I will say so (not that I have been in that situation very often!)

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Mats

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 14 Aug 2007, 16:55

ok. thx a lot.

About my L191...now i'm not so sure...

looks like this Panaque...but mine hasn't red eyes...
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/im ... ge_id=7116
really i am confused...

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 14 Aug 2007, 17:21

There are more variations-of/species-similar-to P. nigrolineatus than there are L-numbered versions of this fish - because they live in just about all of the major rivers in the Amazon and Orinoco basins, and the spread over such a large area allows for quite a lot of variation.

[It is up to scientists to figure out which of these are actually P. nigrolineatus and which are not].

The colouration of eyes vary from dark brown all the way to light grey and red. The lines vary from very dark olive-green to light brown. Lines may be contiguous and discontiguous. And if you look at the fish from a geographical perspective, you'll probably find that they "change in a specific way when you move in one direction". What I'm trying say is that the variants will not necessarily be limited in number, but rather that there are "all the variations from one point to another".

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Mats

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 14 Aug 2007, 17:25

Ok, thx, i understand...ufffff....

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 14 Aug 2007, 17:28

AngelicusFish wrote:
yogi69 wrote: Until then, look at rest of mine and tell me pls am i right? L191, L190, L239...???
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4188/mybeautiesve0.jpg
Yup you are right about those three fish.

Angelicus, you are young and enthousiastic. That's cool. You're also a beginner with regard to catfishes. That's fine too. No problem.
What I would like to advise you is to refrain from answers like the above, for I get the feeling that you are just saying something. And the member who's questioning gets confused by that. One of the main purposes of PC is to help people with questions about their catfishes. If you can help, do so. If not, don't pretend.

AngelicusFish · Post by **AngelicusFish** » 14 Aug 2007, 17:33

Thanks for the tip you are really nice I will make sure they understand better next time.

yogi69 · Post by **yogi69** » 28 Aug 2007, 10:13

The hypancistrus it's L129. Now i have 10 of them.

About the others i am sure now are L190, L191, L239.
I have 3 of L239 now.

Thanks for help guys...