Using Alder cones

strawbx · Post by **strawbx** » 04 Apr 2007, 18:08

Can anybody explain use of Alder cones as anti fungal agent re Cory eggs.
Do they have to be removed within a certain time period?
Is a water change crucial?

Alan.

Post by **Coryman** » 06 Apr 2007, 19:47

I put 2-3 litres of water from the spawning tank into a hatching container and add the collected eggs, I then put in 2 Alder cones. After two days I remove the cones, by this time they have done what there work protecting the eggs from fungal attack. On day three I will change 50% of the water replacing the removed water with water from the spawning tank.

Ian

strawbx · Post by **strawbx** » 11 Apr 2007, 18:43

I'll give it a try with the next spawning.
Alan.

Bwhiskered · Post by **Bwhiskered** » 24 Apr 2007, 12:52

I use the European Black Alder Cones to protect cory eggs and pleco eggs that get kicked out of caves. The tannic acid in the cones is the main ingredient that does the job of protecting eggs from fungus. I have been experimenting and have used it to make water acidic to spawn tetras and other fish that like acid water. I find that one cone can drop four litres of R.O. water to a PH of 6 over night. The water needs to be changed back to more alkaline water gradually to avoid PH shock.
I am sure that most of my fellow hobbyist to the south of me in the U.S. do not know that the European Black Alder grows as an invasive species along the Eastern Seaboard right up into Ontario Canada where I live. I am sure Ian Fuller when he first mentioned them in one of his talks at the Laural Maryland Catfish Convention did not know it either. Many years ago there was a catfish expert that advocated oak leaves and the latest fad for betta buffs is almond leaves. The basic ingredient is tannic acid but each one could have various other properties that protect eggs.

apistomaster · Post by **apistomaster** » 26 Apr 2007, 01:57

Many of us Apistogramma breeders like almond and/or Oak leaf litter, too.
I also raise wild type Bettas.

Post by **Coryman** » 26 Apr 2007, 09:11

Bwhiskered,

To be truthful I did actually research to see if the Alder was native in North America before using it in my talks on your side of the pond. In fact when I went to London Toronto, at the auction on Sunday after my Talks on Saturday there were several bags of Alder cone on offer. Now that was a bit of quick thinking.

The original tip about using them was given to me by Hans-Georg Evers while I was visiting him in Hamburg a couple of years ago and a very valuable tip too.

Ian

apistomaster · Post by **apistomaster** » 30 Apr 2007, 18:45

I had the impression that we did not have any alders in the semi-arid high deserts of Eastern Washington State but it turns out that there are plenty of them in the wetter surrounding mountains.
Yesterday one of my fish keeping friends returned from an outing in search of Morel mushrooms. They weren't flushing just yet but he surprised me with a big bag of dead dried Alder cones, leaves and even bark remaining from last year. It is still early enough that at the higher altitudes it hasn't warmed sufficiently for the new leaves and flowers to be fully developed so now I'll be able to begin immediately preparing some water soaked with these materials for use with my Corydoras and Apistogramma spawning projects.
I now have enough of the leaves to use as substrate litter that many SA blackwater fishes are found and breed in. I'm anxious to see what kind of results I get.

niederle · Post by **niederle** » 30 May 2007, 12:28

apistomaster wrote:Many of us Apistogramma breeders like almond and/or Oak leaf litter, too.
I also raise wild type Bettas.

Probably not almond but Terminalia catappa leaves.

jjkolodz · Post by **jjkolodz** » 06 Nov 2008, 06:42

Does anyone know if Alnus maritima (Seaside alder) cones are safe and effective to use

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 16 Apr 2009, 13:02

Just for the record, the European black alder appears to be Alnus_glutinosa. I hope so at least, 'cos that's what I'm planting in the garden!

Jools

Mike_Noren · Post by **Mike_Noren** » 16 Apr 2009, 15:24

Both the native species (Alnus glutinosa and Alnus incana) are used by aquarists here in Sweden. I would assume other species of Alnus can be used too.

EDIT: Just a small word of warning - the cones strongly lower pH, more so than oak leaves, and very strongly stain the water.
Article in Swedish (alkottar = alder cones) here: http://www.pmdd.se/zoopet/alkottar/

Hilariously auto-translated into English here: http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... n&ie=UTF-8

corywink · Post by **corywink** » 18 Apr 2009, 21:38

Can someone tell me if these Oregon Red Alder cones can be used?

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