Cory Deaths and Strange Behaviour

horsehunter · Post by **horsehunter** » 18 Apr 2003, 22:04

A while back I lost two albino corys about 6 weeks apart. Before death the fish hung at the top of the tank in a vertical position for a week to 10 days. these two fish were about 4 years old and in a planted 35 gallon tank with a number of tropicals mainly tetras. The water conditions in the tank are good and I have had no other fish deaths in a long time.

Last week I bought 4 corys about 1 inch long and one is hanging out at the top of the tank in the same manner. The other three are at the bottom with the ocasional trip to the surface for a gulp of air ( normal behaviour I understand). I thought one morning that the one at the surface was dead but when I went to net him he dived for the bottom.

Sorry to be so long winded but does any one know what might have killed or be wrong with these fish.

Thanks Frank

Nautica · Post by **Nautica** » 19 Apr 2003, 05:27

How heavily is the tank planted? It sounds like they may be experiencing oxygen deprivation. Can you get some airstones going in the tank, especially at night? Are you running co2 for the plants?

Plants will put oxygen in the tank by day, and take oxygen by night. Do you notice them hanging at the surface moreso in the morning or early part of the day?

What kind of surface agitation do you have in the tank? Like - what type of filter? Do you have airstones? At the very least, I would get one, preferrably two going ASAP.

I would think that if there was a low level of dissolved oxygen, your other fish would be affected. However, maybe its even less at the bottom level, versus the mid and upper strata where your other fish are at.

When you say water conditions are fine, can you quantify this with values - are ammonia and nitrite 0? What is the tank temp? What do you put in your water - fertilizers? What medications have you used in the tank before the first set of fish?

I've asked a friend, but I don't know how long it will take with the holiday weekend to get an answer.

clothahump · Post by **clothahump** » 19 Apr 2003, 12:02

Low oxygen levels are not a problem with Cory's as they gut breath, I would be looking at stagnant substrate that is giving off toxic gases.
Gently stir up the substrate and give it a good hoovering.

horsehunter · Post by **horsehunter** » 19 Apr 2003, 13:29

I would not suspect an O2 problem or a toxic substrate problem as it is only one fish at a time that has been affected. PH7.2, KH 6, GH 11, Temp76, Ammonia 0,Nitrite 0, Nitrate less than 15 before weekly water changes of 15%.I gravel vac as much of the bottom as possible during these water changes. No problems with a herd of ottos or a solitary bristlenose in this tank also the neons and leamon tetras have been there for a long long time without problems. Also a pair of angels regularly breed in here.

Frank

Post by **Coryman** » 19 Apr 2003, 14:31

There are two queations that come to mind. 1) Are the Corys getting enough food, do you you put food in the tank especially for them. The second point would be the qulity of the new Cory's, have they come from a reputable source and did you check the water perameters from that saurce.

Ian

Nautica · Post by **Nautica** » 19 Apr 2003, 15:26

I can understand the reasoning against o2 problem as it really should affect more fish. I knew it was a stretch, but figured added airstones wouldn't hurt, especially if there were some type of gases building up for some unknown reason.

You say you gravel vac "as much of the tank as possible" each time you do a water change. Do you check your ammonia and nitrite levels about two days after? Usually only 1/3 or 1/2 should be vac'd at a time or it could throw the tank into a mini-cycle. I know what you mean when you say that if otos and bristlenose can survive, why not cories. I would respectfully disagree about cories strictly gut breathing. For what purpose do they have gills and why do they turn lilac when nitrites are elevated if not used for respiration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the bolt they do to the surface for air is to replace the gut bubble used to help with buoyancy.

You didn't mention filtration, surface agitation, or whether you add co2 and how heavily your tank is planted. Its still a stretch, but I would still be interested in what your level of dissolved o2 is down at the very bottom. Also, how many of each fish do you have in there and how big are your angels?

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If your cory continues to lurk at the surface, especially in the AM why not give some added surface agitation with airstones a try? It can't harm anything. The others died once they started that, so what do you have to lose?

Cory_lover · Post by **Cory_lover** » 21 Apr 2003, 06:17

hm....my corys once did that...but none of them died. I just did a water change, added more airstone cause i thought insufficient oxygen was the problem. A few days later, they were at it again. Found at that nitrites were high and there were some ammonia as well. So maybe that could be your problem.

I'm too lazy to read the previous replies to this question, but is your tank over crowded thus resultingi n low oxygen levels?