Thanks Jools. Was writing the reply to Richard on my phone and rather slowly at that when your reply came in.
Will try out the sources you mention and see how I get on. Will have to try and pass on the hybrids in the meantime and be honest about the fact that they are that. Hybrids really annoy me ...

Thanks Richard, mush appreciated. A bit wary of buying online from source I've not had confirmed. When I got my group the guy said he got them from Germany and had syno petricola as well for sale which I thought was a good sign. I got some great F1 syno multipuncs from him at the same time which ...

I got a group of what I thought were lucipinnis a few years ago but I'm now not so sure (look very like the last one in this post http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=39321 ). Does anyone have the real McCoy out there? Seems to be hard to locate non-hybrids. I know that Mikes ...